CEO and Founder

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Ryan Rutan

CEO and Founder

CEO and Founder vs Founder vs Co-founder: This entry is about the title combination, when one person holds both roles, when to split them, and how the transitions go. For the origin-role definition (who counts as a founder, how the title attaches), read Founder. For the team-dynamics nuance (when multiple people share founder status, how the term gets misused), read Co-founder.

CEO and founder are two distinct roles often held by the same person early on: the founder originated the company, the CEO currently runs it. At a startup's earliest stage these collapse into one person by default, but the two roles can separate at any point, and many companies are run successfully by a non-founder CEO.

Three common transitions split the roles. Founder-CEO continues: the founder runs the company through major growth or to an exit (Mark Zuckerberg at Meta, Brian Chesky at Airbnb, Jensen Huang at Nvidia). Founder steps back, brings in a CEO: the founder remains on the board, in a Chief Product Officer or Chairman role, or as a major shareholder while a professional executive runs operations (Larry Page and Sergey Brin bringing in Eric Schmidt at Google in 2001, Jack Dorsey stepping back as Twitter CEO in 2021 and being succeeded by Parag Agrawal). Founder is removed: the board replaces the founder, sometimes with their consent and sometimes not (the most famous case is Steve Jobs being pushed out of Apple in 1985 before returning in 1997). Investors increasingly accept that the founder-as-CEO can scale all the way through a public-company transition if the founder grows with the role, partly because the founder-CEO model has produced disproportionately many of the largest outcomes (Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, Nvidia, Tesla, all founder-led for most or all of their public lives).

Ryan's Take

The "founders can't scale" narrative is mostly outdated. The founders who actually got replaced in the 1990s and 2000s often got replaced because the board didn't want to do the work of helping them grow. The founders who run their companies through IPO and beyond do it because they kept learning, kept hiring people better than them, and kept their identity attached to the company instead of attached to the CEO title. If you want to stay CEO, the path is to actually become the executive the company needs each year, not to defend the seat you're in. And if you don't want to stay CEO, that's a totally valid call, just make it deliberately.

What founders get wrong: Treating "founder" and "CEO" as the same thing and then being shocked when investors raise the question of leadership transition. The two are separate roles with separate expectations. Be clear with yourself about which one you want for the long run.

Related: Founder · Co-founder · Founders Agreement · Startup

FAQ

Is the founder always the CEO?
No. A founder is the person who started the company; a CEO is whoever currently holds the chief executive job. The same person often holds both roles early, but companies frequently bring in a non-founder CEO later or have founders step into different leadership roles.

Can a startup have multiple CEOs?
Almost never in practice. Most companies have a single CEO at any one time. Some early-stage co-founder teams use co-CEO arrangements briefly, but boards and investors generally push for a single CEO once the company starts scaling.

Why do some founders get replaced as CEO?
The most common reasons are scale gaps (the company's needs outgrew the founder's experience), board loss of confidence (often after missed targets), or strategic disagreements. The pattern is less common than it was in the 1990s and 2000s; founder-led companies dominate the current largest-cap list.

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